Comments on: Beginning of the end for open web data APIs? https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/ Open information and technology. Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:06:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: john beck https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-546 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:06:38 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-546 Google doesn’t have a REST API to replace it. Instead, something more important is happening, and it could be that REST, WS-*, and the whole of open web data and mash-ups all end up on the losing side.

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By: seo https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-545 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:37:39 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-545 I’m really surprised there hasn’t been a bigger backlash against this. Where is the outrage?

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By: The Business of Ajax - Google’s Ajax Search API https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-544 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:16:35 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-544 […] Of course there are many other ways of presenting search results. Many of the more interesting.ways to present the data reorder the results according to other criteria or third-party data (like other search results), or even dispense with a linear order. Now if you want to pull in search data and manipulate it in this way, you’re going to have to use the Yahoo! REST API’s. But will Yahoo! follow suit and get rid of their general API’s in favor of brand-preserving Ajax widgets? Dave Megginson doesn’t think so, but sees some clouds on the horizon. […]

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By: Ajaxian » The Business of Ajax - Google’s Ajax Search API https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-543 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:40:29 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-543 […] Of course there are many other ways of presenting search results. Many of the more interesting.ways to present the data reorder the results according to other criteria or third-party data (like other search results), or even dispense with a linear order. Now if you want to pull in search data and manipulate it in this way, you’re going to have to use the Yahoo! REST API’s. But will Yahoo! follow suit and get rid of their general API’s in favor of brand-preserving Ajax widgets? Dave Megginson doesn’t think so, but sees some clouds on the horizon. […]

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By: sockdrawer » Blog Archive » Always beta? https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-542 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:53:26 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-542 […] Funny, but hardly the point as one of the comments on his post points out, referring to David Megginson who asks, rather more importantly, if this is the Beginning of the end for open web data APIs? Pointing out that, in this case, the alternative to the SOAP API is a set of Ajax widgets, David’s argument is that this could become a common business approach – the data is not directly exposed, and deploying Ajax components is popular to many because it is so easy to do. […]

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By: Un peu de lecture 03 at Aurélien Pelletier’s Weblog https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-541 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:04:11 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-541 […] Google a “déprécié” son API de recherche SOAP et c’est Dave Megginson qui nous livre la meilleur analyse: Beginning of the end for open web data APIs? Ce n’est pas une victoire de REST sur SOAP/WS-* mais le début de la fin du web as a platform, une composante importante du Web 2.0. […]

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By: Jon https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-540 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:15:18 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-540 Our response to this is the EvilAPI and EvilRSS

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By: Quoderat » Yahoo stands firm behind its search API https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-539 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:24:50 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-539 […] Early in the week, I posted about the end of the Google search API, and speculated that — since everyone else tends to copy Google — it might be the start of a general trend away from open data APIs and in favour of server-side AJAX widgets. In response, Amit Kumar of Yahoo sent me an e-mail message (after failing to get past Spam Karma in the comment system for my blog): […]

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By: Venture Beat Contributors » The Google API kerfuffle, and what it means for start-ups https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-538 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:13:45 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-538 […] (Editor’s note: Some people, it seems, are steamed about changes Google has made to the way it lets outside developers tap into its search and ad platforms. We asked Rob Drapkin to write about the changes in Google’s ad platform. These changes are different Google’s separate changes to its search platform, where you can see an example of a complaint here.) […]

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By: Robert Sayre https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-537 Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:59:46 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-537 Well, I think the limitation is basically the same one Google has always had: “no bots”.

Regarding the API traffic, it looks like a variation on JSON-P. Basically, you do this:

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/* write a callback function */
function myJSONCallback(aJSON) { alert(aJSON) }

/* append a script element to the document */
var myScript = document.createElement(“script”);
myScript.src = “http://api.example.com/makeArray?elements=3&callback=myJSONCallback”;

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The browser sends a GET to request the script src, and this can be any host. The body of the request looks like this:

myJSONCallback([“”,””,””]);

The contents of the parens are a JSON object literal.

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By: david https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-536 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:03:21 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-536 Thanks for the Javascript API clarification, Robert. I haven’t had time to look in detail to see if/how Google is working around the same-site XMLHttpRequestObject restriction (invisible iframes?), but client-side mashups of the cute-overlay-over-Google-maps variety, while fun, have their limitations — eventually, for many genuinely-useful things, you’re going to have to do data crunching on the server side.

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By: Robert Sayre https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-535 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:17:21 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-535 Hi Dave. The paragraph under “It’s Not About SOAP” seems completely incorrect. Google does provide readymade widgets, but the public, documented API is rather extensive underneath.

http://www.franklinmint.fm/blog/archives/000951.html

Also, the server-side processing argument seems to miss the point. The canonical “mashup” is a web page that pulls in JS data from Google Maps and some other source. If you want people to use Google Search results on their web pages, the wrong answer is “here is the SOAP/XML-REST/HTTP/Whatever API”. That is for the (vocal) priesthood, not web authors. Your main point seems to be that it doesn’t allow bots. *shrug

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By: Davanum Srinivas https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-534 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:54:12 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-534 David,

it’s possible to programatically access the AJAX Search API. Please see here for proof (calling from plain ol’ Java):
http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/archives/004722.html

thanks,
dims

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By: C. David Gammel, High Context Consulting » Blog Archive » Google Deprecates SOAP Search API https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-533 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:26:17 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-533 […] Update: Here is another interesting post, Beginning of the end of for open web APIs?, that is worth checking out on this issue. […]

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By: snellspace.com » Blog Archive » Putting the Web in Web Services https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-532 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:29:10 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-532 […] Dare doesn’t think I was clear enough when I called bullshit on David Megginson’s suggestion that open APIs may be on their way out. So let me try again… […]

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By: len https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-531 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:27:28 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-531 First they protect the resources. Then they protect the sources for the resources.

Ever signed an employment agreement that makes anything you invent while in their employ the IP of the employer? No? Then you never worked for a professional company of any significance.

It is not surprising they took this long to get around to this. Dope dealers get you hooked first. It is only surprising that you are so angst-ridden about that.

“As the twig is bent…, “, David. The web changes nothing in the human equation except short cycle behaviors. The long cycle behaviors reemerge dominant as always. Over a longer time, you may see some subtle variations change features in certain environment but these will come as side effects, not direct effects. Beware pleioptropy.

len

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By: kartentisch » Schnelldurchlauf: Googles APIs, Georgia, Kunst und Kartografie https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-530 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:42:05 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-530 […] Es gibt einige Unruhe über die Einstellung der SOAP Such-API durch Google. Ich will hier nicht auf die Details eingehen – das hat u.a. der Google Watch Blog schon hinreichend getan -, das Thema liegt ja auch nicht direkt im Beritt dieses Blogs. Aber es ist natürlich ein deutliches Signal, dass Google seine APIs nicht als Selbstverständlichkeit betrachten möchte. Die SOAP-API ist immerhin recht populär unter Entwicklern, nicht zuletzt deshalb, weil sie einige gestalterische Freiheiten einräumte, mehr jedenfalls als die AJAX-API, die Google als Ersatz anbietet. Was das für andere APIs bedeutet, und ob das Ganze nun wirklich den Anfang vom Ende für offene Daten-APIs oder gar für Mashups überhaupt bedeutet, muss man abwarten. Aber es wäre naiv, anzunehmen, dass ähnliche Angebote nicht auch irgendwann mal zur Disposition stehen könnten. […]

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By: tijs.org » Blog Archive » Google doesn’t like API’s anymore? https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-529 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:49:05 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-529 […] Google has replaced it’s full API with dumbed down AJAX only widget. The web a little too open for them? Is this as some people suggest already the “Beginning of the end for open web data APIs?“, i hope not… we were just getting started. […]

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By: Ymerce » Blog Archive » Wordt het een open of gesloten web? https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-528 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:45:52 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-528 […] De beslissing van Google om hun open zoek API af te sluiten voor nieuwe gebruikers heeft een interessante discussie tot gevolg. Eentje die best bepalend kan zijn voor de ontwikkeling van het web, o.a. wanneer het gaat om de vele mashups die wel allemaal zo leuk vinden… […]

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By: tecosystems / links for 2006-12-20 https://quoderat.megginson.com/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-527 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:33:45 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/archives/2006/12/18/beginning-of-the-end-for-open-web-data-apis/#comment-527 […] Quoderat » Beginning of the end for open web data APIs? everyone and their mother is pointing here; i’d be willing to buy the sky is falling bit more if i saw hard numbers proving that making open data available was a losing proposition economically – plus, we need to ask who’s using this? (tags: ajax api google mashups opensearch search service soap rest) […]

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