Comments on: Open Data matters more than Open Source https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/ Open information and technology. Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:47:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Kragen Sitaker https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-669 Wed, 16 May 2007 19:11:10 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-669 I wrote an essay on a related subject in 1999, called, “People, places, things, and ideas”:

http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/1999-January/000322.html

It’s on the GNU Project web site as well:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kragen-software.html

My concern at the time was that the *software* would be inaccessible if it was locked up inside a server, rather than with the information in it.
Last year, I wrote a draft of an essay discussing a related problem, entitled “the equivalent of free software for online services”:

http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2006-July/000818.html

This was in response to Jamie McCarthy’s Slashdot article, “Web Services and Open Source at OSCON”:

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/26/1537213

Julian Cash has a project called “MoveMyData” to try to ameliorate the data problem a bit:

http://www.movemydata.org/

There was some discussion of my draft essay on okfn-discuss, in which Rufus Pollock and Francis Irving opined that the data was more important than the software:

http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-discuss/2006-July/000122.html

And Mike Linksvayer wrote a good blog post along the same lines:

http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/07/06/constitutionally-open-services/

In response to Luis Villa’s post about “open source is doomed”:

http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/07/05/guadec-thoughts-2-client-development-platforms-and-the-web/

In summary, we need a better alternative than “set up Drupal on your own web server” to solve this problem. As long as it’s a battle between traditional isolated desktop apps (which may be free software) and provider-hosted web apps (which aren’t free software in any practical way), the web apps will keep winning.

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By: Tel https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-668 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:49:33 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-668 You guys worry too much.

As demand for services grows, so there will be people offering data translation services and data transfer services. Savvy users will make sure they only work with sites offering them the chance to download (and thus backup) their data in a standard format.

The reason that Open Source matters is that it encourages competition in the marketplace — low barrier to entry, anyone can make an eBay or a blogspot. Once you have genuine competition then you get a lot of new ideas into the mix and the popular sites have no choice but to satisfy consumer demand if they want to stay popular.

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By: Bob DuCharme https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-667 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:17:01 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-667 flickr is less of an offender than the others on your list, because at least we can download XML of all the data we’ve entered into their site. For Open Data, let’s not forget to hold up del.icio.us as an example of doing things properly, because their API lets us download XML versions of the data we’ve entered there. This is why, after Tim Bray wrote (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/03/18/Cloudy-Paranoia) that he “get[s] nervous sometimes about outsourcing my calendar to Google and my data backup to Amazon and my email to Yahoo and my pictures to Flickr and my bookmarks to Del.icio.us”, I understand his feelings about the first three, but not the last two.

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By: John Cowan https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-666 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:53:05 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-666 I think it’s precisely on the client side, where software *is* distributed, that Open Source still matters very much. A browser like Firefox or an IM client like Gaim can only exist because of Open Source, and without them we’d be in lock-in indeed. Server-side Open Source increases efficiency, but client-side Open Source increases freedom.

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By: Open data belangrijker dan open source « Open source en standaarden op de UT https://quoderat.megginson.com/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-665 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:39:24 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/03/28/open-data-matters-more-than-open-source/#comment-665 […] data belangrijker dan open source 28 03 2007 “Open Data matters more than Open Source” meldt dat het belangrijkste personal computing platform waarschijnlijk niet langer Windows is, maar […]

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