Comments on: Social web sites: the new Proprietors? https://quoderat.megginson.com/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/ Open information and technology. Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:37:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Aristotle Pagaltzis https://quoderat.megginson.com/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-875 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:37:15 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-875 He wanted the contact information of people who friended him. How is that “his data”?

Morally, the data he wanted belongs to his friends rather than to him (nor Facebook). Facebook are entirely in the right for not providing programmatic access to the data in question. If Scoble wanted to do the right thing, he should have asked every one of them personally if they assent to his using their data in the manner that he intended.

Of course, that would have made his endeavour – benign as it may have been – completely impractical. What pity.

Leading a principled life is hard. A lot of the A-list crowd like to bloviate about morals and integrity and openness and the commons and all the shiny happy stuff… just so long as these principles don’t become an inconvenience, whereupon they are readily ignored and their violation loudly justified. Cf. the recent Lane Hartwell blow-up.

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By: david https://quoderat.megginson.com/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-874 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:09:16 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-874 John: I don’t disagree that Facebook is acting like every other social networking site — in fact, unlike many, they do have a way to get some of your data off the site without scraping — but until users drag the social sites kicking and screaming into agreeing on interchange standards (at least file formats), social sites will be much like networking in the 1980s and early 1990s, before the Internet broke out of the academic/research world.

It’s working in some places already. I can use OPML to move my blog subscriptions to almost any feed reader, RSS or Atom to save (most of the information in) my blog postings and comments from most hosts, and the POP3 or IMAP protocols to get my e-mail off GMail (but there’s no way to get my address book). Much of that isn’t easy, though, and usually a new site won’t import an mbox or RSS/Atom file to let me move info over. OpenID sort-of works, but most of the big sites that provide OpenId logins won’t accept them from elsewhere. FOAF might work for social graphs, but I haven’t heard of any big site supporting it yet.

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By: John Cowan https://quoderat.megginson.com/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-873 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:07:51 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-873 I don’t understand this.

Of course if you upload data to other people’s servers, access to it is at their discretion, particularly if you have no contract whatsoever with them.

If he wanted the data, he should have kept a copy himself before uploading it.

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By: Zbigniew Lukasiak https://quoderat.megginson.com/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-872 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:55:27 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2008/01/03/social-web-sites-the-new-proprietors/#comment-872 It can be worse: http://philwilson.org/blog/2007/11/google-be-gone

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