Comments on: A farewell to tabs https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/ Open information and technology. Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:04:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Susan https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2781 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:05:14 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2781 Hm, interesting. Our website also uses tabs – maybe something to think about. Anyway, your site seems like a great source of airport information so I’ll keep it in mind for the future. Thanks for this.

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By: Ralf MC https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2780 Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:45:13 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2780 I actually use tabs to refresh a tabbed page. Certainly, an airport information page can change by the second, so maybe others do what I do?

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By: Michael Gratton (mjog) 's status on Monday, 10-Aug-09 08:58:43 UTC - Identi.ca https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2779 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:58:50 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2779 […] http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/ <– people don’t understand tabbed interfaces (or just web pages?) […]

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By: david https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2778 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:01:38 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2778 Thanks, Tom — it never occurred to me that people would realize the tabs all referred to information about the airport. My site is arranged hierarchically, with breadcrumbs indicating the level (e.g. World->Continent->Country->Region->Airport) and tabs indicating the different dimensions at the current level, but once again, that’s a developer/data-management mindset, not a user mindset.

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By: Tom Passin https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2777 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:14:03 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2777 David, as I look at your example page, I notice something neither you nor the comments have mentioned so far. I can’t really tell that the other tabs refer to the same airport as the main tab does. In fact, my initial impression was mostly that they don’t. So I wouldn’t tend to click on them to get more info about a specific airport.

Yes, “Nearby Airports” does hint that it is related, but it doesn’t automatically suggest to me that every *other* tab is so related. I realize that it wouldn’t take much experience to realize that they are in fact related, but you are supposing that visitors are mostly unfamiliar with the site (have you been able to work out how many repeat vs new visitors you have been getting?)

Also, the inactive tabs fade into the background enough that I notice it takes me some noticeable effort to decipher them (I suppose it would be a bit easier on an actual page, which would be larger than this screen shot.

Perhaps these factors play a part.

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By: david https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2776 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:59:00 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2776 Thanks to everyone for the comments.

Ed: Thanks for the nice comment about the site! To date, I haven’t done any user testing, because OurAirports has just been a hobby site for when my consulting work is slow (or when I want to procrastinate). I’m thinking of trying to grow it into something a bit bigger, though — if not a business, perhaps a sideline — so I’ve been investing a bit more time recently. As a non-designer (I’m a development/data guy), it’s been a challenge for me — it’s easy enough to learn the technical bits, like fluid CSS layouts, but hard to get my head into usability mode.

Paul: What you describe is fairly close to what is currently in place (least-used tabs are on the right, and each tab covers a different dimension of airport information), but it doesn’t seem to be serving well: I’ve ended up designing a site organized around my developer’s data-oriented perspective, rather than a user’s task-oriented perspective. People don’t visit sites looking for dimensions or other information-organization systems; they visit to accomplish tasks, as Hoekman hammers home in “Designing the Moment” (something I wish I’d read two years earlier).

Nathaniel: I don’t know what the best solution is for web sites in general, but for OurAirports, I’m planning to add a small box beside the map presenting the most probable tasks that a user would like to accomplish on each page, clearly described, with a link to a “More” popup (or something similar) giving the whole list. For an airport, wanting to see arrivals or departures is much more likely than wanting to see more technical information, and putting that all at the same level in tabs makes it harder for people to find the most important stuff.

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In general, I’m coming to think that tabs are probably useful for web apps that are function like desktop apps, where people spend hours working every week (think Google apps or webmail) — people have time to learn those apps well, and will probably find the consistency of the same tabs on every page to be a benefit. For sites like mine, though, where most visitors stay only a few minutes, I think the information overload and confusion of a tabbed interface might outweigh any benefit. *I* find the tabs useful, and I’m sure a few of my power users do as well, but I wondering if that’s true of the majority of my visitors.

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By: Megginson Technologies: Quoderat » Blog Archive » A farewell to tabs https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2775 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:55:35 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2775 […] Continue reading here: Megginson Technologies: Quoderat » Blog Archive » A farewell to tabs […]

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By: Nathaniel Flick https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2774 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:41:37 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2774 Okay, a few things:

1. You use tabs and sidebar navigation as well here on your website. Comments?
2. I’m not understanding what your proposed solution is to tabbed navigation?

Check out http://www.amazon.com for how they’ve answered this question. It’s actually quite innovative.

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By: Paul Sholar https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2773 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:13:00 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2773 Not much analysis here, mostly David’s gut response. The tabs should collect distinct *dimensions* of the selected entity’s attributes, or perhaps segregate the attributes of the various child objects that are related to the higher-level data entity being presented, with less “important” dimensions (or child objects) placed at the right end of the tabs list.

//Paul K. Sholar (Twitter @bkwdgreencomet)

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By: Ed Rice https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2772 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:38:42 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2772 really cool site though. I’ll use it next time I fly.

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By: Ed Rice https://quoderat.megginson.com/2009/08/05/a-farewell-to-tabs/#comment-2771 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:36:54 +0000 http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/?p=252#comment-2771 Tabs will die but probably evolve first. I don’t think tabs are the problem in this example. Have you done any user testing to find out why users are clicking on the “airport” tab??? Analytics is great to identify problems but doesn’t always explain the cause.

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